ipod Offline Senior Member **** Posts: 328 Joined: May 2007 RE: PACIFIC VIEWPOINT EPISODE 3 - 2010 Give it Heaps to the Church! Kuo fuoloa e fepulingaki pea kou hu mai au kuo 'ikai keu toe 'ilo pe koe fe feitu'u keu kamata mei ai. kuo lahi fau e ngaue pea moe femo'uekina ka neogno ia tuku mu'a keu lafo atu he fokotu'u fakakaukau ma'olunga kuo fokotu'u he paenga muli ko'eni.
'Uluaki, kou fakamalo lahi atu 'aupito kihe ongo fafine ne na tataki 'ae polokalama malie faufaua ko'eni he koe me'a 'oku tau sio tonu ai hotau poko'imata tu'a ni 'ihotau ki'i fonua ko Tonga. Kuo tau sio mata foki hono faka-e-haua'i 'ehe kau takilotu hotau kakai pea kuo tau sio mata pe foki he founga tanaki pa'anga hotau ngaahi siasi. 'Oku totonu ke fakakolekole atu kihe kau takilotu ke nau ki'i me'a mai ki lalo mei he'enau funga hoosi 'o ki'i vakai kihe polokalama ni pea 'ai mai ha'anau lau he ko'ena ku talamai 'ehe motu'a palangi ia 'oku 'ikai 'aupito fakakalisitiane pea toe hala mama'o fktohitapu ke uki pea tala hangatonu mai 'ae me'a koe tanaki pa'anga. Mo'oni 'ia au he lau 'ae palangi pea 'oku ou fakamalo atu au hono 'omai 'ae ngaahi polokalama mahu'inga ko'enii ke tau vakai kiai pea 'ai mo ha'atau lau kihe taki hala'i kitautolu 'ehe kau takilotu tokolahi.
I hear complaints and questions like these from Christians frequently: They say, "Churches today only care about money." Whether this is true or not I'm old enough to see and know what is really going on in many pacific churches. I think there is too much abuse and misuse of church funds. So, one would argue, Why should I give?". "How do I know the money will go to a good cause?"
Let me tell you a personal story: I have been to several and they always ask about income. I tell them I will give what I can and their response is, 'You have to give at least ten percent of your income.' I understand that the church needs funds to operate, and I started to give my 10% share to the church. Not long, the Minister started to ask the congregation some money to give as a gift to another Minister that came from the islands to visit. The church collected some money and gave it to the visiting Minister. The following Sunday, the Minister stood up again and said we need some money to pay for this and that etc etc etc. By this time I was so piss off and left. Now, to tell someone that they need to give ten percent is not right. Why? Because they should not "tell" someone to give or tithe. All they need to do is preach the gospel and in this case, preach the biblical principles of giving and then it will be up to the individual to respond to the message.
So, in all fairness to the pacific churches, I think they should re-examine their position in this society and act accordingly. Do not hide behind the name of the church or God or anyone else...cos' it sux guys....really is.....
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Kehekehe Wrote:JohnWesley wisely said, " Give as much as you can ,Spend as much as you can, And save as much as you can. I hear complaints and questions like these muchfrom Christians frequently: They say, "Churches today only care about money." Whether this is true or not I'm old enough to see and know what is really going on in many pacific churches. I think there is too much abuse and misuse of church funds. So, one would argue, Why should I give?". "How do I know the money will go to a good cause?"
Let me tell you a personal story: I have been to several and they always ask about income. I tell them I will give what I can and their response is, 'You have to give at least ten percent of your income.' I understand that the church needs funds to operate, and I started to give my 10% share to the church. Not long, the Minister started to ask the congregation some money to give as a gift to another Minister that came from the islands to visit. The church collected some money and gave it to the visiting Minister. The following Sunday, the Minister stood up again and said we need some money to pay for this and that etc etc etc. By this time I was so piss off and left. Now, to tell someone that they need to give ten percent is not right. Why? Because they should not "tell" someone to give or tithe. All they need to do is preach the gospel and in this case, preach the biblical principles of giving and then it will be up to the individual to respond to the message.
So, in all fairness to the pacific churches, I think they should re-examine their position in this society and act accordingly. Do not hide behind the name of the church or God or anyone else...cos' it sux guys....really is.....
The story of the widow inspire me the most, she gave so little and yet she gave the most. Her annointed love of God and humanity compels her to carry the cross and later on replaced by the man of Calvary. Quote this message in a reply
The saddest thing is this: "Where the hell is the money going?"
It is not going to further the Kingdom of God. If church leaders think that is the case, groups like the Salvation Army would be preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately these groups no longer preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is probably why they are so successful in raising money.
Although in most countries, The Salvation Army holds church services every Sunday, and speaks to those who come for food, etc. about Christ. Perhaps not the average SA church, tho. Also, there is a lot of giving that does not go through the churches, but directly to other ministries and organizations. As far as what the churches do with all the money - ever-increasing salaries, and building projects, mostly, in other words, building their own kingdom instead of God's kingdom, which is sad.
kiate au 'ihe anga 'eku fanongo kihe felafoaki ni pea moe me'a ku hoko kihe fehanuaki holo 'ae ngaahi siasi fekau'aki moe me'a fakapa'anga,,'oku ou tui koe me'a fakahela mo'oni ia ketau lave kiai,,kautangata koena kuo 'omai he folofola 'ae fakahinohino moe me'a ke tau fai,,ko'etau toe hanu pe koe kai ketau muimui kihe fekau kuo 'omai kiate kitau he tohi 'a Malakai,,mou 'ofa mai 'o ki'i 'ahi'ahi'i atu e vahehongofulu,,ka kou tui koe vahe 10 totonu koe me'a mahu'inga ia,,mou ki'i vakai atu ange kihe Mamonga,,maholo kuo mou mea'i pe me'a koia,,te'eki keu tau fanongo tautolu kihe siasi koia 'oku nau tanaki pa'anga lahi koe'uhikoha fa'ahinga me'a,,'oku mou pehe ko'enau tu'umalie mei he haa,,mei vahe 10,,,'oku pau pea malu 'etau pa'anga pea mahino e feitu'u ia 'oku 'alu kiai 'enau pa'anga,,koe me'a ia 'oku falalotu fo'ou mo ma'a pehe ai pe honau ngaahi 'api 'onautolu koe vahe 10 totonu,,pea KA FAIHALA HA PISOPE KIHE VAHE 10,,KOE ME'A MAHINO PE HONO CUT 'OE MOTU'A KOIA''koia kou pehe tau muimui he folofola katau nonga,, ,,Toki Hoko Atu,, ,,Kulukulu,,,,
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Kuo fuoloa e fepulingaki pea kou hu mai au kuo 'ikai keu toe 'ilo pe koe fe feitu'u keu kamata mei ai. kuo lahi fau e ngaue pea moe femo'uekina ka neogno ia tuku mu'a keu lafo atu he fokotu'u fakakaukau ma'olunga kuo fokotu'u he paenga muli ko'eni.
'Uluaki, kou fakamalo lahi atu 'aupito kihe ongo fafine ne na tataki 'ae polokalama malie faufaua ko'eni he koe me'a 'oku tau sio tonu ai hotau poko'imata tu'a ni 'ihotau ki'i fonua ko Tonga. Kuo tau sio mata foki hono faka-e-haua'i 'ehe kau takilotu hotau kakai pea kuo tau sio mata pe foki he founga tanaki pa'anga hotau ngaahi siasi. 'Oku totonu ke fakakolekole atu kihe kau takilotu ke nau ki'i me'a mai ki lalo mei he'enau funga hoosi 'o ki'i vakai kihe polokalama ni pea 'ai mai ha'anau lau he ko'ena ku talamai 'ehe motu'a palangi ia 'oku 'ikai 'aupito fakakalisitiane pea toe hala mama'o fktohitapu ke uki pea tala hangatonu mai 'ae me'a koe tanaki pa'anga. Mo'oni 'ia au he lau 'ae palangi pea 'oku ou fakamalo atu au hono 'omai 'ae ngaahi polokalama mahu'inga ko'enii ke tau vakai kiai pea 'ai mo ha'atau lau kihe taki hala'i kitautolu 'ehe kau takilotu tokolahi.
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I hear complaints and questions like these from Christians frequently:
They say, "Churches today only care about money." Whether this is true or not I'm old enough to see and know what is really going on in many pacific churches. I think there is too much abuse and misuse of church funds. So, one would argue, Why should I give?". "How do I know the money will go to a good cause?"
Let me tell you a personal story: I have been to several and they always ask about income. I tell them I will give what I can and their response is, 'You have to give at least ten percent of your income.' I understand that the church needs funds to operate, and I started to give my 10% share to the church. Not long, the Minister started to ask the congregation some money to give as a gift to another Minister that came from the islands to visit. The church collected some money and gave it to the visiting Minister. The following Sunday, the Minister stood up again and said we need some money to pay for this and that etc etc etc. By this time I was so piss off and left. Now, to tell someone that they need to give ten percent is not right. Why? Because they should not "tell" someone to give or tithe. All they need to do is preach the gospel and in this case, preach the biblical principles of giving and then it will be up to the individual to respond to the message.
So, in all fairness to the pacific churches, I think they should re-examine their position in this society and act accordingly. Do not hide behind the name of the church or God or anyone else...cos' it sux guys....really is.....
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Kehekehe Wrote:JohnWesley wisely said, " Give as much as you can ,Spend as much as you can, And save as much as you can.
I hear complaints and questions like these muchfrom Christians frequently:
They say, "Churches today only care about money." Whether this is true or not I'm old enough to see and know what is really going on in many pacific churches. I think there is too much abuse and misuse of church funds. So, one would argue, Why should I give?". "How do I know the money will go to a good cause?"
Let me tell you a personal story: I have been to several and they always ask about income. I tell them I will give what I can and their response is, 'You have to give at least ten percent of your income.' I understand that the church needs funds to operate, and I started to give my 10% share to the church. Not long, the Minister started to ask the congregation some money to give as a gift to another Minister that came from the islands to visit. The church collected some money and gave it to the visiting Minister. The following Sunday, the Minister stood up again and said we need some money to pay for this and that etc etc etc. By this time I was so piss off and left. Now, to tell someone that they need to give ten percent is not right. Why? Because they should not "tell" someone to give or tithe. All they need to do is preach the gospel and in this case, preach the biblical principles of giving and then it will be up to the individual to respond to the message.
So, in all fairness to the pacific churches, I think they should re-examine their position in this society and act accordingly. Do not hide behind the name of the church or God or anyone else...cos' it sux guys....really is.....
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The story of the widow inspire me the most, she gave so little and yet she gave the most. Her annointed love of God and humanity compels her to carry the cross and later on replaced by the man of Calvary.
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The saddest thing is this: "Where the hell is the money going?"
It is not going to further the Kingdom of God. If church leaders think that is the case, groups like the Salvation Army would be preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately these groups no longer preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is probably why they are so successful in raising money.
Although in most countries, The Salvation Army holds church services every Sunday, and speaks to those who come for food, etc. about Christ. Perhaps not the average SA church, tho. Also, there is a lot of giving that does not go through the churches, but directly to other ministries and organizations. As far as what the churches do with all the money - ever-increasing salaries, and building projects, mostly, in other words, building their own kingdom instead of God's kingdom, which is sad.
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kiate au 'ihe anga 'eku fanongo kihe felafoaki ni pea moe me'a ku hoko kihe fehanuaki holo 'ae ngaahi siasi fekau'aki moe me'a fakapa'anga,,'oku ou tui koe me'a fakahela mo'oni ia ketau lave kiai,,kautangata koena kuo 'omai he folofola 'ae fakahinohino moe me'a ke tau fai,,ko'etau toe hanu pe koe kai ketau muimui kihe fekau kuo 'omai kiate kitau he tohi 'a Malakai,,mou 'ofa mai 'o ki'i 'ahi'ahi'i atu e vahehongofulu,,ka kou tui koe vahe 10 totonu koe me'a mahu'inga ia,,mou ki'i vakai atu ange kihe Mamonga,,maholo kuo mou mea'i pe me'a koia,,te'eki keu tau fanongo tautolu kihe siasi koia 'oku nau tanaki pa'anga lahi koe'uhikoha fa'ahinga me'a,,'oku mou pehe ko'enau tu'umalie mei he haa,,mei vahe 10,,,'oku pau pea malu 'etau pa'anga pea mahino e feitu'u ia 'oku 'alu kiai 'enau pa'anga,,koe me'a ia 'oku falalotu fo'ou mo ma'a pehe ai pe honau ngaahi 'api 'onautolu koe vahe 10 totonu,,pea KA FAIHALA HA PISOPE KIHE VAHE 10,,KOE ME'A MAHINO PE HONO CUT 'OE MOTU'A KOIA''koia kou pehe tau muimui he folofola katau nonga,,
,,Toki Hoko Atu,,
,,Kulukulu,,,,